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New Atlanta offers ColdFusion to .NET/Java migration assistance

June 7, 2008 ·

Note: Vince updated his post to use more neutral language - thank you Vince! - so I have updated this post to be more neutral as well.
Vince Bonfanti just announced New Atlanta's "new ColdFusion-to-.NET and ColdFusion-to-Java migration services." and goes on to say "As experts in ColdFusion, ASP.NET, and Java technologies, New Atlanta is uniquely positioned to assist organizations that want to migrate their ColdFusion applications to either the ASP.NET or Java EE web application platforms." Vince has said in the past that he sees BlueDragon.NET as a migration path from CFML to .NET so this isn't entirely surprising. His blog now has a sidebar that consolidates links to posts he's made in the past three years on this topic (the posts span July 2005 to January 2008 so they're not exactly "news"). It's clear that Vince and New Atlanta are going in a very different direction to Open BlueDragon. Vince is not involved with OpenBD and it is TagServlet, not New Atlanta, who are behind the open source project. ColdFusion continues to thrive under Adobe's leadership - the hints around Centaur suggest that it will be a mind-blowing release. Open BlueDragon is available now for download - in several ready-2-run formats, as a simple WAR or even in source code form for you to use for free in pretty much any way you want. And at Scotch on the Rocks, Railo announced their partnership with Red Hat to move the Railo CFML engine to as an open source project which should extend the reach of CFML into the Java community. It's never been a better time to be a CF developer - more choices, more advances.

Tags: bluedragon · coldfusion · openbd · oss

16 responses

  • 1 Jake Munson // Jun 7, 2008 at 12:34 PM

    Well said.

    I used to use BlueDragon for and my blog, but I switched to ColdFusion 8 last year. I won't be able to afford ColdFusion 9 when it comes out (unless hell freezes over and Adobe makes a free Express version), so I will probably switch to Railo down the road. I have a VPS, so I need to own ColdFusion o run it on my server, and $1500 is steep when I make about $30/yr from the adds on my sites. So Railo will end up being the best choice, unless I switch to PHP. ;)

    Heh, imagine, powered by PHP. lol
  • 2 Gary Gilbert // Jun 7, 2008 at 1:23 PM

    So does that mean Java is no longer a modern web application platform?

    Sigh so much crap to shovel and not nearly enough shovels....
  • 3 Mike Brunt // Jun 7, 2008 at 3:44 PM

    I had just blogged about the level of commitment of all those sitting on the OpenBD Steering Committee to the CFML community, it is amazing to be a part of that. Also, I often reflect at how ColdFusion with a minimum price of $1,300.00 survived in the face a commercial company (Microsoft - ASP - ASPX) and open source PHP etc alternatives which are "free". The reasons are many but a committed community would be high on my list. If Microsoft could not break that then no other company or individual can and that is a truly marvelous thing.
  • 4 Calvin // Jun 8, 2008 at 4:53 AM

    @Jake, the CFML engine comparison site is run on php, it's kind of a let down...

    @Sean, You're right, this isn't new news, it seems like it has always been the case. That's why MySpace is apparently now a .NET shop. The fact that NewAtlanta appears to be chipping away at the CF community in terms of both developers and projects. I'm not sure why ColdFusion developers are supportive of the organization, NewAtlanta seems to be eroding the developer's ecosystem.
  • 5 Vince Bonfanti // Jun 8, 2008 at 9:59 AM

    Hi Sean,

    I made a poor choice of words on my blog posting. For what it's worth, I've updated that blog entry to use more neutral language.


    Vince Bonfanti
  • 6 Mark Drew // Jun 8, 2008 at 1:56 PM

    Seems Vince has edited his blog post. Maybe a retraction. I guess he didn't really mean the "legacy" bit.

  • 7 Ben Forta // Jun 8, 2008 at 2:40 PM

    Jake, cfquickdocs is a community resource. When Centaur ships, ping me. I am sure we can find a way to make it easier for you to to continue to provide this resource as a service to the community. ;-)

    --- Ben

    PS And no, DON'T ask me when it'll ship!
  • 8 Kevin Benore // Jun 8, 2008 at 8:23 PM

    I guess Vince edited his post ... the word "legacy" is now removed. Is that his way of retreating?
  • 9 rob // Jun 8, 2008 at 11:31 PM

    everyone has to pay the bills, but it would seem to me someone sold their soul - it will be interesting to see how microsoft winds up treating them.
  • 10 Sean Corfield // Jun 9, 2008 at 2:02 AM

    @Vince, thank you for choosing better wording - I have updated this post accordingly.
  • 11 Peter Boughton // Jun 9, 2008 at 4:08 AM

    This is getting a bit off topic here, so if anyone wants to respond, probably best to take it to another arena (email / mailing list / whatever)

    >> the CFML engine comparison site is run on php, it's kind of a let down...

    The CFML engine comparison site was setup on the best software available to get things rolling straight away. (MediaWiki is a powerful and proven technology; that it is PHP is mostly irrelevant)

    However, as soon as CodexWiki is available, I will be looking at that with a strong desire to switch to it.
    (also, I've sent an email to Mark Mandel asking for access to the closed beta, which will hopefully speed up that process)

    (And of course will also be considering the openBD wiki software when that is released)

  • 12 Calvin // Jun 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM


    "The CFML engine comparison site was setup on the best software available to get things rolling straight away."

    That's precisely my point :P
  • 13 Sana // Jun 9, 2008 at 1:28 PM

    @Peter Boughton, You can email Luis/Sean to have access to CodexWiki code-base.

    I am still confused why NA is trying to convince CF developers to migrate App to .NET/Java.

  • 14 Sean Corfield // Jun 9, 2008 at 1:46 PM

    @Sana, not sure what you mean about CodexWiki - that's nothing to do with this Sean...
  • 15 Alex // Jun 10, 2008 at 2:25 PM


    I'm not sure they are. I think the message is if you have already made the decision to move to .NET here is some useful software that allows your CF developers to still write CFML. I'm sure Microsoft would be doing far more to convince developers than NA are ?
  • 16 Calvin // Jun 11, 2008 at 2:08 AM


    I believe they are providing tools to migrate off of ColdFusion:

    "In addition to demonstrating BD.NET 7.1 at TechEd, we are also announcing our new ColdFusion-to-.NET and ColdFusion-to-Java migration services. "

    BD.NET is the tool to write CFML for .NET, and BD is the tool to write CFML for Java. Though neither are completely compatible with ColdFusion. Additionally, they don't appear to be offering software, but instead services.

    Microsoft seeking for developers to switch from the CF platform is expected. A 'supporter' of the CF community creating additional opportunities for developers to switch from the CF platform is... interesting.

    Let's be realistic, New Atlanta is a Gold Certified Microsoft Partner that provides a competitive CFML engine that now provides a service to migrate from ColdFusion to .NET/J2EE, and messages as follows on their home page:

    "Migration Solutions for ColdFusion applications to ASP.NET"

    I'm not sure how much clearer their business objectives can be, and again wonder how ColdFusion developers can consider them a friend of the ColdFusion community. They are a business, and CFML is only a leverage point from what I can tell. It's a great business model if they can find enough activity to sustain, but it occurs to me that this is a form of exit strategy for their CFML efforts.

    Steps so far:
    1) Offer competitive CFML engine
    2) Open Source CFML engine (reduce costs but maintain competitive efforts)
    3) Offer migration services from all CFML engines

    After 3, what point is there in supporting a CFML engine?